If You Talk Like A Bigot...
Religious Wrongs are claiming that being required to attend diversity trainings or not being allowed to harass gay students is against their religion. They are claiming that they are being persecuted in this country.
Persecuted? They don't know the meaning of the word! Try being told on a daily basis that you're going to Hell. Of course, if you're one of those right wing so-called "Christians", you think somehow you have a right to judge someone else's life. Seems to me, that Jesus didn't approve of us judging each other. If you're going to talk the talk, you need to walk the walk and these "Christians" can't take step one to follow Jesus.
Jon Davidson who is the legal director of Lambda Legal said, "What if a person felt their religious view was that African Americans shouldn't mingle with Caucasians, or that women shouldn't work?"
"Christian" activist Gregory S. Baylor "says he supports policies that protect people from discrimination based on race and gender. But he draws a distinction when he argues that sexual orientation is different  a lifestyle choice, not an inborn trait."
Baylor went on to say, "Think how marginalized racists are. If we don't address this now, it will only get worse."
What? You wish to speak against an entire group of people based on the fact that you don't like the way God made them and you're worried about "Christians" being marginalized?
But, ignoring the bigoted view that gays have made "lifestyle choice", how would Baylor feel if someone took offense to the way he drives his car?
To run this point further home, can I go to work and preach to my co-workers about the evils of drinking? Drinking is a lifestyle choice, if I know that a co-worker drinks -- even if it doesn't interfere with his or her work -- can I continually tell them what a horrible habit it is and how they shouldn't drink?
What about smoking? If I know a co-worker smokes, can I bring pictures of lungs ravaged with cancer into work and hang them on their cubicles? Can I hang them in mine? Isn't that showing a lack of tolerance that is required for people to be able to work together to get a job done?
How is that different from hanging anti-gay signs in your cubicle?
Sitting next to a person who is gay and being tolerant is NOT being "anti-Christian", it is being Christian.
Let me remind the "Christian" fakers, Jesus wouldn't be sitting with you when breaking the bread, he would be sitting with those who are truly marginalized b society and ntrulyyy persecuted. That isn't going to be the ones who only think they're being marginalized and persecuted, he'll be with the ones who really are.
I'll bet my spot at Jesus' right hand for all eternity on it.
God Bless.
Persecuted? They don't know the meaning of the word! Try being told on a daily basis that you're going to Hell. Of course, if you're one of those right wing so-called "Christians", you think somehow you have a right to judge someone else's life. Seems to me, that Jesus didn't approve of us judging each other. If you're going to talk the talk, you need to walk the walk and these "Christians" can't take step one to follow Jesus.
Jon Davidson who is the legal director of Lambda Legal said, "What if a person felt their religious view was that African Americans shouldn't mingle with Caucasians, or that women shouldn't work?"
"Christian" activist Gregory S. Baylor "says he supports policies that protect people from discrimination based on race and gender. But he draws a distinction when he argues that sexual orientation is different  a lifestyle choice, not an inborn trait."
Baylor went on to say, "Think how marginalized racists are. If we don't address this now, it will only get worse."
What? You wish to speak against an entire group of people based on the fact that you don't like the way God made them and you're worried about "Christians" being marginalized?
But, ignoring the bigoted view that gays have made "lifestyle choice", how would Baylor feel if someone took offense to the way he drives his car?
To run this point further home, can I go to work and preach to my co-workers about the evils of drinking? Drinking is a lifestyle choice, if I know that a co-worker drinks -- even if it doesn't interfere with his or her work -- can I continually tell them what a horrible habit it is and how they shouldn't drink?
What about smoking? If I know a co-worker smokes, can I bring pictures of lungs ravaged with cancer into work and hang them on their cubicles? Can I hang them in mine? Isn't that showing a lack of tolerance that is required for people to be able to work together to get a job done?
How is that different from hanging anti-gay signs in your cubicle?
Sitting next to a person who is gay and being tolerant is NOT being "anti-Christian", it is being Christian.
Let me remind the "Christian" fakers, Jesus wouldn't be sitting with you when breaking the bread, he would be sitting with those who are truly marginalized b society and ntrulyyy persecuted. That isn't going to be the ones who only think they're being marginalized and persecuted, he'll be with the ones who really are.
I'll bet my spot at Jesus' right hand for all eternity on it.
God Bless.
posted by Julie at
12:47 PM
3 Comments:
The issue here is separation of Church and State, mostly violated by the threatening aura of arch-conservativism, plagueing this country. Christian groups have attempted to force their agenda about abortion, homosexuality, and the right to die upon the government. And, no, it is not acceptable that State funding (my tax dollars) should go to abet bigots who respect no one, and, as such, are negative influences on society. Their funding should be yanked.
On the other hand, the tide of all or nothing, reactionary thinking extends to liberals as well. It is also a violation of separation of Church and State and Freedom of Speech for the government, or even a private institution, to force anyone to attend a diversity group, if their views about other ethnic and religious and racial groups are against that; I don't think you are being fair, yourself, when you imply that people's degree of tolerance should or could be forced or legislated. And no, you cannot say that people's freedom of speech is OK to suspend, if the content is something that you don't approve of. I would not want to be forced to attend a diversity workshop, because I think that's a bunch of modern-era garbage, which violates my First Amendment Rights, and I don't consider myself a bigot in the slightest. I also don't believe that insurance benefits for gay marriage partners are a fit use of my tax dollars or that they should raise my company's rates, and I think I have the right to assert that without incurring the slur of being prejudicial. The problem in this country, in addition to hyperconservativism, is a thoughtless, extreme liberalism, that asserts a sense of entitlement, when those asserting it haven't earned it- the best example is millions of illegal immigrants, who demonstrate the very minute that a more liberal and humane plan than criminalization, for integrating them into our society, is stalled. Meanwhile, they, and everybody, care not about how undermining they have been, regarding the avoidance of paying taxes and receiving State benefits for breaking the law, while people who respected the law have to go without, and how immigrants have driven down wages. And, if you criticize them, you're a racist or something. It's just practically impossible to even live in the United States, nowadays, in the climate that I have described above, and I think you need to look at both sides of the coin.
This isn't all or nothing. An employer has the right to expect certain behavior from their employees. They're the ones who write the checks, so if they want you to go to diversity training, go. If you really believe that learning about being tolerant of different groups and people is against your religion -- find another job.
Also, I DID NOT say that any of this should be legislated. I merely believe that this right wing Christians are not being persecuted. We have to tolerate them, so I would expect a little tolerance back from them. I can't go into work and spout off about how these morons bug the hell out of me. I would not be allowed to put up a sign on my cubicle that stated, "Right Wing Christians will burn in Hell." So why should they have the right to say the same thing about gays or blacks or latinos?
Further, you can't force someone to be tolerant, but you can force them to attend the training. If an employer requires diversity training for each one of their employees then you have to attend it. No one should get a pass because they believe it goes against their religious beliefs -- PLUS, they're full of it - Jesus taught tolerance, so these "Christians" have no leg upon which to stand.
I do appreciate your allowing my comment, but your response: "An employer has the right to expect certain behavior from their employees... If you really believe that learning about being tolerant of different groups and people is against your religion -- find another job," negatively prejudges my level of "tolerance," as you keep putting it, for some strange reason, all of which shocks me, as you profess such a liberal attitude toward prejudging. Your response, bear in mind, was aimed at someone whose best friends are Latinos, and who works with people who are far different from my own demographics, every day. But that doesn't mean I have to allow some misguided and legally paranoic company to force me to "tolerate" the thankless, miserable immigrant, for example, who, today, refused to let me use a telephone to call the fire department from his gas station, in an emergency, and who's got the job that I went out for, but could never get because I am white and they favored him for the cheap labor. And that is his version of his culture, at least, and that's what they are trying to make me accept, and they have NO RIGHT to do THAT. I'd rather see him arrested than accepted.
Do read the Constitution. No entity has the right to make me understand anything I don't wish to hear their retarded views of, if it violates my liberty, especially when their hiring quotas for different groups have already done that.(I'm so glad I DON'T work in corporate America).
"....I would not be allowed to put up a sign on my cubicle that stated, "Right Wing Christians will burn in Hell." So why should they have the right to say the same thing about gays or blacks or latinos?" THEY DON'T, because a company DOES have the right to limit counterproductive rhetoric. More to the point of the original news story, the government has justly stopped funding groups that do engage in this rhetoric, so what's the remaining issue, here?
"Further, you can't force someone to be tolerant, but you can force them to attend the training." Is that your point (see above)? In addition to the just withdrawal of State funding from bigoted, Right Wing Christians and the right of a company to limit prejudicial rhetoric at work, you think that people who you disagree with you should be subjected to reprogramming. The next suggestion is that everyone who disagrees with you should be forced into computer-chip surgery-group, at work, to gear their minds towards the social philosophies that you endorse.
I hope that the concrete example I gave, of my experience at the gas station when a buiding was on fire, no less, will be something that changes your mind about forcing people like me to accept anything.
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